{"id":19086,"date":"2013-07-02T14:59:08","date_gmt":"2013-07-02T12:59:08","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.toutsurmesfinances.com\/retraite\/le-groupe-humanis-reclame-38-000-euros-a-la-veuve-d-un-retraite.html"},"modified":"2025-07-10T15:56:27","modified_gmt":"2025-07-10T13:56:27","slug":"le-groupe-humanis-reclame-38-000-euros-a-la-veuve-d-un-retraite","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.toutsurmesfinances.com\/retraite\/le-groupe-humanis-reclame-38-000-euros-a-la-veuve-d-un-retraite.html","title":{"rendered":"Le groupe Humanis r\u00e9clame 38.000 euros \u00e0 la veuve d&rsquo;un retrait\u00e9"},"content":{"rendered":"<section class=\"l-section wpb_row height_small\"><div class=\"l-section-h i-cf\"><div class=\"g-cols vc_row via_flex valign_top type_default stacking_default\"><div class=\"vc_col-sm-12 wpb_column vc_column_container\"><div class=\"vc_column-inner\"><div class=\"wpb_wrapper\"><div class=\"wpb_text_column\"><div class=\"wpb_wrapper\"><p>Les erreurs en mati\u00e8re de retraite font l&rsquo;actualit\u00e9 en ce moment. Alors que la <strong>Cour des comptes<\/strong> a r\u00e9v\u00e9l\u00e9 dans un rapport publi\u00e9 le 1er juillet 2013 que plus de 9% des nouveaux dossiers de pensions instruits par la <strong>Cnav<\/strong> sont erron\u00e9s, une autre affaire d\u00e9fraye la chronique. Elle concerne cette fois-ci non pas la retraite de base, mais la retraite compl\u00e9mentaire.<\/p>\n<p>Dans son \u00e9dition du 2 juillet 2013,<em> Le Parisien<\/em> r\u00e9v\u00e8le que le <strong>groupe Humanis<\/strong> r\u00e9clame, depuis 2011, \u00e0 la veuve d&rsquo;un retrait\u00e9 la somme de 38.000 euros. Il y a trois ans, suite au rapprochement de l&rsquo;<strong>Agirc<\/strong> et de l&rsquo;<strong>Arrco<\/strong> et aux \u00e9changes de fichiers entre les deux r\u00e9gimes, il a \u00e9t\u00e9 d\u00e9couvert que le mari d&rsquo;Andr\u00e9e Schreiber est mort en 1989 et qu&rsquo;une de ses trois caisses de retraite compl\u00e9mentaire n&rsquo;\u00e9tait pas au courant de son d\u00e9c\u00e8s, en l&rsquo;occurrence celle dont la d\u00e9l\u00e9gation de gestion a \u00e9t\u00e9 confi\u00e9e \u00e0 Humanis.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>Au d\u00e9c\u00e8s d&rsquo;une personne salari\u00e9e, l&rsquo;<strong>Insee<\/strong> envoie normalement un avis \u00e0 l&rsquo;Assurance Retraite qui elle-m\u00eame avertit l&rsquo;Agirc-Arrco. Dans ce cas-l\u00e0, cela n&rsquo;a pas \u00e9t\u00e9 fait. Andr\u00e9e Schreiber a bien inform\u00e9 du d\u00e9c\u00e8s de son mari deux caisses de retraite compl\u00e9mentaire, mais pas la troisi\u00e8me g\u00e9r\u00e9e par Humanis. R\u00e9sultat : le groupe de protection sociale a continu\u00e9 \u00e0 verser sur le compte en banque du d\u00e9funt 100% de sa retraite compl\u00e9mentaire au lieu des 60% qu&rsquo;aurait d\u00fb percevoir sa veuve au titre de la pension de r\u00e9version. D&rsquo;o\u00f9 les 38.000 euros r\u00e9clam\u00e9s \u00e0 Andr\u00e9e Schreiber qui correspond aux 40% de trop per\u00e7us durant 23 ans.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>Probl\u00e8me : cette derni\u00e8re ne compte pas rembourser Humanis. \u00ab<em> Ils ont mis plus de vingt ans \u00e0 se rendre compte qu&rsquo;ils ne me versaient pas la bonne somme,<\/em> d\u00e9clare-t-elle dans <em>Le Parisien. Et maintenant, ils me r\u00e9clament de l&rsquo;argent. Mais moi, je ne leur donnerai pas. Ils n&rsquo;ont qu&rsquo;\u00e0 voir cela avec leur comptable qui a fait n&rsquo;importe quoi.<\/em> \u00bb Chez Humanis, on ne comprend pas pourquoi la retrait\u00e9e ne les a pas averti du d\u00e9c\u00e8s de son mari.<\/p>\n<p>Le groupe s&rsquo;\u00e9tonne du refus obstin\u00e9 de la veuve d&rsquo;autant que des solutions lui ont \u00e9t\u00e9 propos\u00e9es. <em>\u00ab Vu la date du d\u00e9c\u00e8s du conjoint, une partie de la somme r\u00e9clam\u00e9e devrait \u00eatre prescrite. Nous ne lui demanderons que la partie restante que nous n&rsquo;avons pas encore chiffr\u00e9e \u00bb<\/em>, assure un porte-parole du groupe \u00e0 Toutsurlaretraite.com. <em>\u00ab Avec le rapprochement de l&rsquo;Agirc et de l&rsquo;Arrco et la fusion des caisses de retraite, ce type de cas pourrait devenir plus fr\u00e9quent \u00bb,<\/em> poursuit-il. Et de conseiller :<em> <em>\u00ab Dans le doute, il vaut mieux avertir les caisses de retraite du d\u00e9c\u00e8s de son conjoint<\/em><\/em>. \u00bb Le conjoint survivant pourra alors en profiter pour demander \u00e0 b\u00e9n\u00e9ficier de la <strong>pension de r\u00e9version<\/strong> dont le versement n&rsquo;est pas automatique et l\u00e0 aussi quelque fois oubli\u00e9.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/section>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"Les erreurs en mati\u00e8re de retraite font l&rsquo;actualit\u00e9 en ce moment. Alors que la Cour des comptes a r\u00e9v\u00e9l\u00e9 dans un rapport publi\u00e9 le 1er juillet 2013 que plus de 9% des nouveaux dossiers de pensions instruits par la Cnav sont erron\u00e9s, une autre affaire d\u00e9fraye la chronique. 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